stephen_nelson's profile

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820 Points

Sun, Oct 16, 2016 8:29 PM

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Removed Pallet from Upper Denture

Got dentures but they insisted on giving me an upper pallet, blocking tongue from roof of mouth.  I bought a Dremel Tool and used the plastic cutter with a little olive oil to cut out the center pallet.  I used a Dremel sanding drum to smooth edges.  I had no Dremel experience whatsoever but it was a breeze; no problems.  I did have to rig a little jig, to hold the denture. So far works great with Fixodent Plus.

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490 Points

5 y ago

Thtat sounds interesting but how do your teeth stay in especially when you eat?

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230 Points

adhesive - if I did not remove that I gag...so I cannot eat regardless unless I removed it

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4.2K Points

Hi Deb, are you now saying your upper horse shoe wont stay in so you can eat?? I thought you were able to eat with it in ??

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380 Points

I am so excited i was not wearing the dentures i could not eat or talk and was gagging all the time. I removed the upper pallet and used poliygrip i look great feel great. You must do this. Its supper easy. Going to try enclosing pictures. If not text me your phone number and i will send pictures

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380 Points

I then trimmed it with the dremel tool to make it smooth

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380 Points

More images

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820 Points

5 y ago

The Fixodent plus locks in my uppers, rock solid.  I'm not sure that would apply to everyone, and denture professionals always say that implants are needed if you remove the pallet.  But I don't have implants and it still seems to work perfectly.

I had courage to cut out the pallet because when I had it, I could barely get my dentures out even after many hours; the Fixodent plus had them locked in so very well.

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452 Points

Well maybe you didn't need the fixodent to hold in your dentures. I never wear anything to hold in my uppers and I've had them for 40 years. Just need something for bottoms

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8.2K Points

I finally made it that level also. Took 2 years to get top to stay without adhesive. Finally!

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3.6K Points

Good for you!!  Hope it keeps working out.

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112 Points

Maybe that's what I need to do...get a Dremel and do a little adjusting for myself!  Thanks for the thought!

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198 Points

If my dentist won’t curve and reduce my upper plate, I have been considering the dremm route as well but I know I will need most of the pallet because my gumline is like a roller coaster.

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8.2K Points

5 y ago

Could you take a picture of denture?

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230 Points

I have not removed it completely but cut it down far enough to keep me from gagging and to be able to touch the roof of my mouth and taste. I need to work on it a bit because it is too thick.  This is just a temp set so I feel at liberty to work with them....I have actually removed 1/4 of the upper pallet and this seems to have done the job for me. Now I need to work on the 1/8" thickness that it has created. I cannot upload a photo because it says my image is too large but you can message me on my FB page and I can send you one that way. Starla Harmon Ryer

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120 Points

I posted here at the bottom of this page about 5 months ago. I still do not regret cutting out the top denture. As for pictures I think the ones on this page represent the norm. I just used a marker to show about a 1" U leaving a lot of the sides. Used the dremmel disk to lightly etch the line and then cutting down slowly so as not to chip or slip. If you can handle an electric screw driver then there should be no problem. There are other tool ends for finishing the process of smoothing and rounding. I have experience with a dremmel but have never had a learning problem other than trying to do a precise job too fast. I would give it about a half hour. I think about half my tongue in the front contacts the denture. That is really no problem. It is a good thing to cut as little as you need while leaving all the sides and some of the top for extra support. I have temp dentures and have no thoughts of moving on to any others but I did get expensive temps and they are stronger and look good.

I have no regrets at all. You still need to keep up with relining as you go because no amount of glue will keep a loose denture in place for long and your bone structure may not be as even or level as it should be (you chew on one side and the other pops down). Before you attempt this you should be sure to have about as much upper bone as you do lower. If you do not have anything much to grab onto up there then you may need that pallet to help hold. I have fairly good bone all around though a bit uneven on top. After these 5 months I can eat pretty much anything and the dentures are like normal teeth and I can taste things again.

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80 Points

I'm constantly gagging....especially when I talk or when I'm thirsty. And it's so thick there's not enough room for my tongue to move to pronounce words properly, much less food...I sound like I have a lisp or speech Impediment. Guess I'll be digging out the Dremel too.

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4.2K Points

Call your dentist he/she can trim the palate back a little bit to stop that from happening . If you do it yourself and remove to much you will lose the suction.

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8.2K Points

5 y ago

Could you take a picture of denture?

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8.2K Points

5 y ago

Could you take a picture of denture?

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62 Points

5 y ago

I WOULD LIKE TO SEE THE TOOL YOU USED I WANNA DO MINE ALSO

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820 Points

5 y ago

Yes, I'll try to take a picture of the denture and some others of the tools.  I have to make an adjustment to the denture first; one edge is a bit hard on my tongue; it works okay but there could be long-term tongue irritation problems.  Hope to post pictures in a few days, maybe sooner.

(About what denture professionals would say about this:) There are many examples of professions and vocations developing blind spots.  One example: Decades ago physicians would bleed their patients to help cure them; now we know that was wrong.  I believe there are many cases where upper dentures would fix well without the pallet, because of improved adhesives and maybe other factors.  But I think denture professionals are blind to that possibility.  Not criticizing them, just trying to understand.

The tool is a Dremel 4000 but other rotary tool models would likely work too.  The cutting was done with the little cutoff wheel that is marked "Plastic."  A little drum with probably a 60 grit sandpaper was used to smooth things.  NOTE THAT IF YOU HAVE PREPAID ADJUSTMENTS COMING, AS WITH AFFORDABLE DENTURES' plans, this cutting might be seen by them as invalidating their obligation.  I'll also try to send pictures of the jig that I rigged to hold the denture in place during cutting.

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142 Points

Do you think if I removed the palate that a soft liner would still work?

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286 Points

I don't see whyyy it wouldn't..... I didn't get a softliner the dayyy I got myy palate cut because apparantlyyy I alreadyyy got 2 and I am onlyy aloowed one more before I have to payyy for them but......sure ...it should work. I am loving myyy palate cut. It's sooooooo much better for eating and there's no more gagging on too much plastic. I'm not rushing to take them out after work. I LOVE IT!!

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72 Points

that service is not cheap either

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4.2K Points

I told my dentist about this my dentures give me such a bad headache I can only wear them for 2 hours she is researching this for me can you show pics of your denture, do you still wear the horseshoe one??

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94 Points

They actually make upper dentures without the palate......they are called Horseshoe Dentures

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6.1K Points

5 y ago

It would be my luck I would cut them wrong and break them

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820 Points

5 y ago

I fixed the tongue thing and have a camera coming to take pictures (believe it or not, I have no cell phone).  Will post pics soon.  The cutting job was a little tricky and I did have to proceed carefully. 

INSTEAD OF YOURSELF, maybe someone in your circle of friends knows a model rail hobbyist; they are often handy with rotary tools.  Woodworkers and other kinds of hobbyists are also sometimes handy with rotary tools.  I had no experience with rotary tools but I was able to achieve success.  But then too I have always been kind of a general handyman.

I am thinking to contact denture providers with these two suggestions:  (1) Tell patients, "Bring in your palleted upper and we'll make a non-palleted copy for $X; then you take both home and see what works best.  (2) Provide new patients will an option to take home two uppers, one palleted and one not, for an extra charge.

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8.2K Points

5 y ago

A question: what is the advantage of cutting denture?

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100 Points

if you read the comment's it will help let you know the problems it solved.  Mostly with gagging, not tasting food, feeling a hard shield on the roof of your mouth, speaking funny..etc

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820 Points

5 y ago

I removed the center pallet area from my brand new upper denture.  I found it was intolerable.  Now, without the center pallet area, my upper dentures hold fast (with fixodent plus).  My entire mouth is better without the central pallet area of the upper denture.

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100 Points

wat if u cant get the tool to try to take the pallett off is their like anything elese i would be able to use that might work?

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6.1K Points

I wouldn't do that myself.  If you damage your denture, your insurance may not cover to have it fixed.  Fixing or replacing  a denture can be expensive,

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286 Points

I agree...... I would just go back to the dentist and let them do it. Myyy dentist is doing it for me when I am healed enough.....

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1.5K Points

I use dremels everyday in my job. I used my immediate denture to practice on. Then. My acrylic my dentist made that I despised...i made it into a horseshoe as well and it's fabulous. I polished the edges and used a diamond wheel to make it.

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286 Points

Wow!!! That is sooooo great for youuu!! I am going back to the dentist on Tuesdayyy of next week. I prayyy she does that for me!! I can't stand this plastic either. I'm doing wayyy better with them except for the bottoms alwayyys come loose when eating. I feel like I use a shit-ton of adhesive. The tops are alwayys good but the bottoms always come loose. I'm happyyy for youu Debi.....please pray that Tuesday's visit has me leaving a VERY HAPPY GIRL!!

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820 Points

5 y ago

This is a no-login free link to the pictures, in a .pdf file on Google Docs.  A down-arrow icon at upper right can be used to download the .pdf to your hard drive.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0P-9kr85GKNSnlzdFctS0RmakU

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200 Points

I too DETEST my full palate (NOT spelled pallet, BTW). I've had it for 8 months and it's still horrible. I've lost about 50% of my ability to taste, it feels terribly uncomfortable to have that hunk of plastic stuck in my mouth and I take it out many times a day just to get away from the discomfort and the intrusive feeling I get from it.  When I remove it, it's always covered with thick, gooey spit that has built up on the surface. ICK! I've done a LOT of research on having the center part of the palate removed and everything points me in the direction of getting this done. I've told my prosthodontist I want him to do this procedure and he's very much against it. He says that (1) it will move around in my mouth and (2) food will build up underneath the palate and I'll have to take it out and clean it often throughout the day. But I already remove it a lot just to get some relief from wearing it. I think he's finally ready to give in to my request, though he doesn't really approve. He is an excellent dentist with a specialty in prosthodontics and has a great reputation. I'm confident that when he does remove the center part he will do a very good job and will make every effort to create a good and comfortable fit. He's very proud of his work and has over 40 years experience. He wants to keep the fine reputation he's built up and will do his very best to do so. I admire the people who have taken the DIY route but am too chicken to try it. I just CAN'T WAIT to get this big bulky thing out of my mouth and feel comfortable again! I'll write again after he does the work and give you people a thorough report on the results, both pro and con (if there are any cons). Should be a couple of months before everything's done and I've worn it for awhile).

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230 Points

I took a dremmel to my original teeth...took a ton of bulk off, polished them up with a fingernail polisher - then went to Russel Klien in Etsy and got ultra thin dentures custom made by him for a fraction of the cost I paid to look like a monkey mouth - here I am at my last birthday dinner and no one can tell I have dentures - https://www.etsy.com/market/russell_klein_dentures

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150 Points

@stephen_nelson great picture just seen them thats how i'm thinking about doing mines i'm pretty good with the dremel but they said it would void my warrant? this is my first set i get a better set at 6 months so i really want to see how this is going to work,

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166 Points

4 y ago

So you have no trouble with them coming loose when you eat? I want to do this but I'm scared too. I am having such a horrible time trying to get used to wearing this top denture. I just don't think I will ever get used to having all this plastic in my mouth.

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820 Points

They never really did stay in very well.  Eventually I left them out and changed to a soft diet, which is practical for me but not most people.  Then later I got implants and dentures mounted on those.  Those stay in well, but cost a lot, of course.

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540 Points

stephen - the denture that you cut the centre pallet out of - is that an implant mounted denture?

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820 Points

No, it was a regular denture that I cut.

Later I got implant mounted, but never cut the implant mounted.  When I got the implant mounted made I emphasized that I wanted minimum pallet, and they included reinforcing metal in the implant mounted denture, to make sure that it would be strong even though it did not have much pallet.

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680 Points

In your second post you stated that with Fixodent Plus your cut denture worked "perfectly", yet in your post above you state that never did stay in very well.

Having no pallet would make many denture wearers more comfortable but saying that something works when it does not is irresponsible.

People read these posts for months and even years after they originally posted.
You should retract the statement so that other people don't go in and cut out their denture only to find out that it "never really stays in".
Because I know if I had done that I could not afford to go and get an implant like you did Nor would my health allow me to do so.

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60 Points

Did your dentist do the horseshoe or did you do it? I have so much trouble with the pallet that I can't stand to wear my teeth. I want to do this but afraid it won't stay tight without the suction.

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6.1K Points

4 y ago

I agree with Deb Dennis.  I would remove the post and pictures so others won't try it.  

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286 Points

4 y ago

Deb Dennis......I actuallyyy tried some adhesive this weekend when I was out with friends. I was happyyy. I chose what I ate carefullyyy but it was good with what I ate.  My dentist said that she will give me the horseshoe denture in a few weeks - I CAN'T WAIT!!!!!!

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1.5K Points

Any updates??

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286 Points

I am leaving for the dentist NOW!!! PLEASE sayyy a prayer that she cuts this for me TODAY!! It's been exactlyyy 9 weeks!! I want it cut!! I need it cut!! I will be on later!!!

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286 Points

She did it!!!! She gave me a horseshoe palate and I LOVE IT!!! It's just sooooooo much less in myy mouth!! It's GREAT to feel the roof again!! It feels different. I need to get used to a different feeling all over again but it's better!! They, of course, don't have the suction and so the tightness is gone......they feel like they may fall out but they aren't. They are in with adhesive which yessss - I must use all the time now. They will not stay in up top at all now without it but it is soooooo worth it!! I think I will be good with this......I reallyyy do.....gotta try eating but I can tell you that even drinking water is BETTER now!!!!!

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286 Points

Wow.....4 hours later and these things are falling out! I had afternoon coffee and had to reapply adhesive because they instantlyyy became loose....2 hours after that and I couldn't even talk right because they were falling out. I need better adhesive I guess?? I just watched the video of you eating again and oh myyy god....I'm jealous. I love that it's cut out but....it's gotta stay in!!! What do you use Debi??

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286 Points

Oh.....and I asked todayyy about my permanents....she said April!! NEXT YEAR!! I had this done March 13th - exactlyyy 9 weeks ago....  I thought it was 6 to 8 months?? Is that myy problem?? Will myyy permanents with the horseshoe upper be better???