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Thu, Jun 27, 2013 8:59 PM

My face is caved in and wrinkled since getting dentures.

I've had lowers for about 2 years and the upper for nearly a year now. I am so depressed because it has aged my face by at least 10 years. I read where so many feel like they like the look of dentures better than their old teeth, but not me. My lips have nearly disappeared. My upper lip is all wrinkled ...like people who have smoked for years get. I have never smoked. My cheeks are concave and jowels drooping. I am 54, but look mid 60 something since getting my teeth out and these dentures in. What's the trick to a good looking smile ??
(from JustNotTheSame)

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7 years ago

Patandfritz, I am sorry that I didn't see your post until just now. I've read many posts from people who are happy with the look of dentures and said they feel their looks have not changed. I think it really depends on the prosthodonist or lab that made them. I really want to get a second opinion and see if something more can be done. The sunken in cheeks and wrinkles I thought were from the bones receding, which happens once teeth have been removed,but when I look at others with dentures, this does not appear to be a problem for any one else. Others look at me...have that look on their faces like they know I am different now,and they are being kind not to say anything. My husband says yes, my appearance has changed,but that it's what's on the inside that counts...and he will always love me. I am blessed to have him in my life. My sister, who I only see every few years,actually cried when she saw me the last time and said I don't look good. :-(
(from JustNotTheSame)

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386 Points

I keep being told that people who don't put their dentures in immediately after extractions suffer a lot of bone loss in their gums and the people that don't have that sunken look must've kept theirs in everyday and some kept them in all day and night and only took them out daily to clean their mouth and dentures.

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120 Points

I did everything you mentioned and unfortunately I feel I do have the sunken in look still :(..I have more wrinkles under the bottom part of bottom lip that in another year I'll prolly look 50. I'm 43 right now an feel as if I look like I aged at least 5yrs since about a year after getting my teeth. I hate how bad my bottom lip looks so thin. It used to be very full :(..my profile from the side has really changed and I feel my chin is pointer and looks longer. I'm looking into the all on 4 but I don't know how I'll ever afford it and don't know if it would even help me.
All I can say to people is try and keep your real teeth as long as you can. Some of us are just born with problems inherited that cause tooth decay etc. I was told I had weak porous teeth. I lived at the dentist office. Had no dollars since the age 17 but still looked good. Prolly why I have the more sunken in look now since I went sooo long with no back bottom teeth my guns are so thin.
But as I was saying. Its not always people's fault they have to get dentures. I most CERTAINLY took very very good care of mine but it just didn't seem to matter. That's not the case for everyone so no matter what take the best of care you can for your teeth/

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410 Points

Aspen dental talked me into getting dentures. I just got my permanent dentures. I can't keep them in my mouth for more than an hour. My face is down on my chest. Its terrible
. I dont want to go out. They are sending me to another office, because they are flustered they can't get them right. It is going on a year. I look like I'm in my 80s.
I'm depressed, loosing weight, I can't eat solid food, mind you it's going on a year.
My lips have been split ( scars now) because they are too large for my mouth.
They dont hear me.
If you can keep your teeth, do it. Partial 's are better than this living hell

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82 Points

I went to Aspen and I am having a lot of problems too.. they charged me $16,000.. my insurance paid fo half and I had to pay the other $8,000.. i have had teeth removed 3 weeks ago and the dentures they gave me are awful... they are to big for my mouth and they hurt my gums too.. I keep going back and they keep saying I have to get use to them

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Aspen.  That's like paying Ruth's Chris Steakhouse prices at McDonalds.  These places, Aspen and Affordable Dentures are the fast food chains of Dental Practices.  Unless you are paying $3,000 to have 20 + teeth removed along with temporary and permanent dentures, YOU ARE PAYING TOO MUCH!!!!!!  Come on people.  

For $16,000 you could have gone to a private practice dentist AND had snap-ons, bone grafts and porcelain dentures.  

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7 years ago

In addition to the changed outward appearance, I still can't eat anything without pureeing it first. I have no saliva due to an autoimmune disease, so I choke very easily, and my teeth don't stay in because dentures need saliva to create that suction.
(from JustNotTheSame)

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8.2K Points

Use Biotene products for dry mouth.

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410 Points

It's sad and hard to go through. It's been a year for me. Daily pain and 10 years to my appearance. Please help get the word out. I also have scars on my lips from where the lip was ripped

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OMG!

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410 Points

Biotene is not the answer. We need to stop this. So many sad story's like mine.
Aspen dental is the worst. Dont let anyone you know go.
They thrive on people with low income and or no insurance. The office managers joke was; No third party payments.
If your going to have dentures look up a good OMS.
Why not do it right. I didn't k ow

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You need to get a lawyer and sue them, they scarred you and didn't make your dentures right.  Now, get off your ass and call an ambulance chaser of an attorney!  They will get you pain and suffering damages as well.  Print all the stuff that you've written online and give it to an attorney!  

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7 years ago

I am 62 and 2 months in on my new teeth-uppers and lowers. I am still waiting for my lips to return. Dentist stole them and wont tell me where she put them :) You face and mouth will look different with dentures than what you had with your own teeth. I don't think you should be getting the caved in and wrinkled look though. How have the remarks been when people see you? What are they saying about your new smile? Maybe they see the pretty more than you do???
(from patandfritz)

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82 Points

DITTO!!  BUT WHERE'S HELP??!!

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150 Points

I had the same problem...went in to get new Dentures to fix it...the set the Denturist gave me was sooooo much worse.. after having a panic attack...I sent him a text. .saying this set us not going to work...we need to get it fixed...after watching so many videos...I knew he did a crappy job....went back..told him..I don't care if I have buck teeth...these need to be fixed.
Have both upper and lower back ..
I have a tad of an overbite...which has smoothed the wrinkles on the top ...the bottom plate I told him needs to be raised..to the height ..that if I still had my own teeth..should be ..sooooo...with a bit of filing down here and there. .perfect now...no more sunken look.
I think he has made to many sets for people older than me...I'm 63....and tried to convince them.. that once they settle they'll be fine..
I watched to many denture videos to know that what I hit the first time was unacceptable...you have that right...

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122 Points

Help! I had all my teeth pulled 3 weeks ago at Aspen and they promised me everything would go great but it's been anything but, my dentures fit so badly my gums hurt all the time, and I look terrible because they're too big, I'm 52 and have aged in my face ten years, what are the videos you watched and where can I find them?

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386 Points

There's so much more to know about everything to do with dentures than I ever imagined. Like you're doing now I also lived through hell with bad fitting dentures and no one told me the immediate dentures that you pay a fortune for are not the one that you wind up having and wearing permanently. I may he wrong but I don't think there's any way that they can fit you correctly for and make dentures while you have a mouth full of teeth. It's been over two years since I started this journey from hell so let me tell you a few things that I know for sure. For me anyway. I don't think I've ever seen one person ever that was happy with those immediate dentures and mine were $3,000. I've watched every youtube video and read every blog that I could get my hands on to try to educate myself (after the fact). If someone told me right now that I could go back and change only ONE thing.... or TWO I would very, very strongly advise you to do something so that you can put them in and keep them in. Keeping dentures in will prevent your gums from deteriorating and causing a worse case of wrinkled sunk in mouth. I don't care who might tell you different I believe it. I would only put mine in when I went out of my house because they just felt like I was wearing someone elses teeth. I have a few friends that have had dentures for years and they don't have denture mouth. Both of them have one thing in common... They got their dentures and wore them at least all day everyday and one of them wore them all day and night and took them out only to clean them and clean their mouth twice a day and the then put them right back in. Both are in their late 50's and you can't tell they are wearing dentures. They have full mouths and their dentures look like their own teeth. No one told me this. I would have figured out how to handle it way back then if I'd have know this. It's not just them. I've looked at thousands of videos and anything I could get my hands online. The majority of people agree. You can definitely save yourself from that because it hasn't been very long. I think for me it was probably about 6-8 months after I got my teeth pulled that mouth started to change and it just got worse over time. I can look back and realize it now.
About 10 days ago I received my perfectly fitting dentures and you won't believe where I got them! On Etsy.com. I heard about this guy in Florida that was making dentures for people and someone told him about Etsy and he checked into it and now he has his Etsy store and it's called the Denturestore. Go and watch his patients/clients youtube videos. Amazing. I really got a lot of good info from watching the tattooed mormon (I think that's right). For a full set of beautiful acrylic dentures that he (Russell) makes himself the cost for s $700. (top and bottom). He charges $50. for the impression kit that he sends out to you and he offers what he calls wax "try ins". He makes your dentures out of a sturdy wax and puts the teeth in and you get to see exactly how your real dentures will fit and look before he makes them. That way if something needs tweaking he can do any adjustments before he makes the real thing. I think those were $60. but I'm not sure. You have to check his prices because I might be a little bit off but his prices are great. He's very good about promptly answering questions that you email to him. You have to give him a day or so sometimes because he stays busy I'm sure but he's very good about getting back to you. My wax try ins were perfect so I sent them back and he made my dentures and sent them out to me about 10-12 days later. I emailed him when I shipped back the try ins and asked if he could do anything with my dentures that would help my mouth or lips to look better and he msg'd me that he could build them up a little. I'm very happy with them. If the dentures you have fit really bad and you paid a lot for them you should make them give you some satisfaction. I didn't because I found out later that the lab that made mine were awful and I'd be going back and forth with them forever and it would wind up just exhausting me and they'd never get them right because they're that bad but I do wish I would have asked for my money back and l if they said no I found out I could have filed something myself and got some of my money from dentist for using this lab with such a bad rep. I believe that you can keep from losing too much of your gums if you can possibly not wait too long. I hope this helps you. I wish I would've checked things out beforehand but I was so naive and never thought I'd have to go through all of this. If I can pass on my bad experience and help just one person then it would make me feel like my experience wasn't a total loss. Sorry that this wound up being soooo long. Good luck to you. Debbie

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386 Points

Above I said that my dentures cost me $3000.00. Typo. They were closer to $6000.00.

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7 years ago

Have you mentioned this change to you primary care physician? Since you are the only one you know experiencing this problem, it could be that it isn't your dentures causing the problem at all. I would hate for some other medical condition to go undiagnosed because you think your dentures are to blame (which is a normal deduction). Next time you go in for a check up, I would definitely mention this to your doctor, maybe even take an old photo with you to show the difference. If nothing else, maybe he/she will have a suggestion as to ways to improve it.
(from Bush)

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410 Points

You are not the only one

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410 Points

Not while dentures are rocking in mouth. I have no bite. Cant bite a soft sandwich. That's redickulous

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3.2K Points

a reline (at least so you can eat?) or is it beyond that?  sorry-i haven't been in this group long but long enough to be pissed off for all of us who paid to suffer

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80 Points

I HATE TO TELL U ALL THAT IS UNHAPPY WITH ALL THEIR TEETH REMOVED AND FACE COLLAPSED, NEED MORE BONE , HATE DENTURES , WRINKLES AROUND MOUTH , LIPS THIN,
FACE IS HOLLOW , ETC......FIRST...I'm sorry for all of us bc I did same thing and let DENTIST ruin my mouth . Let him talk me into DENTURES bc Iof issiues. Well people ...bc implants have really taking off the last while DENTISTS are now "specialized" in IMPLANTS....ONLY because that's where the BIG BUCKS ARE AT ! WELL I ve been studying implants for 2 years now trying hard to read as much as I could WITH as well as being counseled by experts where implants is being taught....SO HERE IT IS.....Dentists ARE NOT the proper doctor to see. If you want it done RIGHT AND GET THE SHAPE OF YR FACE BACK AS BEST U CAN ....A specialist in dentistry that went way beyond the schooling of what a dentist has ....this particular DOCTOR CAN DO IT ALL AND IS SPECLIZED IN EVERYTHING MOUTH ...HIGHEST
DEGREE IN DENTISTRY.....NOT just your local dentist that can yeah sure do the job or is now
running a dental implant practice.......I learned the hard way after spending thousands and was miserable. Of course was worrying about the price. Usally " DENTIST" are cheaper anyhow and that's why a lot of folks decide on them ....BUT THEIR NOT THE PROFESSIONALS THAT A PERSON IS RECOMMENDED TO SEE IFOR IMPLANTS OF ANYKIND..... THE TITLE OF IMPLANT SPECIALIST is a PROSTHODONTIST AND THATS WHO "WE" should actually have do our implants and get " your back " . These specialist know all there is to know about bone structure and recreating a persons face . HONESTLY , I didnt until I started investigating and doing research. AND YES it's still soooooo much cheaper going to other countries of course which you still should go with PROSTHODONTIST......which Ihere in the states implants are starting to c one down .....however do you know that ALL the hardware that goes in your mouth to create IMPLANTS are only a small part of your bill and no matter WHAT country the implant doc is in they still all use the same inexpensive hardware....your PAYING for tor the doctors artistry or capability or whatever you want to call it and AMERICA is right up in price .....they tell you their reasonable and comparable to WHATEVER THE AREA their practice is in IS CHARGING.....WHAT BULL....Theiy decide and can make it more reasonable for people but not likely......they will justify anyway they can....still bull......HOWEVER IF WANT YOUR FACE BACK THATS THE DOC U WANT TO SEE....start checking it out and you will find your answer just LIKE I DID !

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I found one in Encino.. Dr. Mark Exler on Ventura..
Does Mexico have any American certified Prosthodontist that are reasonable ? Everyone says don’t go to Mexico, but wonder if there’s a Reputable
One. Thanks! Yes, I want my smile and my bone structure back. Your right! Not perfectly but close. Missed my smile. I told my dentist my cheekbone seemed to gone a little flat. He said that pulling teeth doesn’t do that. I think he’s wrong!

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182 Points

3 years ago

Thanl you for you response I too feel that I now have what I refer to as denture face. I want my old face back before dentures. I will be mking an sppointmnt to discuss my terrible ssssssssssssssssunken looking face.

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Dentures are horrible!!!!!

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82 Points

i also have " Denture Face" since i had mine removed last year. husband had his done and they look so natural. think i will be paying his dentist a visit.

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120 Points

I defenately have denture face and was wondering if anyone knew if bone grafting and implants would help.

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8.7K Points

Only if u have bone otherwise welcome and I mean that in the most loving way.

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They say it helps prevent further bone loss but the grafting is just small little pieces to enable the implants to hold.  My face was caving in when I had all my teeth so it isn't coming back even with grafts and implants.

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140 Points

3 years ago

i feel so ugly my face is so bad around mouth im 44 and look and feel 70

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318 Points

Same here! I was 41 when I got mine, and 3 years later I now look like I'm in my 60's vs 44! I actually have worked as Dental Assistant for 25 yrs and for the last several years, I've worked in a 1 Day denture office. I see a few turn out beautiful, and many that turn out like ours. You'd think I'd have access to all this grand dental treatment considering that's my career, but it is quite the opposite. Finding someone to place implants and make me a hybrid is dream that will never come true due to costs. Actually, I'd be happy to just have a set that adds volume and looks natural. I've had MANY friend's and family tell me they wouldn't even recognize me if they'd run into me @ a store, etc... I miss my face structure and beautiful smile I once had. I will always regret my harse decision of having my teeth extracted and replaced with dentures!! I've emailed a few offices throughout Florida that call themselves "FOY DENTURES." (*Fountain of youth), but they are well above what I will ever be able to afford. Best wishes to us all in hopes of regaining our youthful appearance.

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386 Points

Take a look at the denturestore on Etsy. I just received my dentures and the fit is perfect. Russell at Denturestore does an amazing job. I think my problem with denture face or whatever you call it is because I didn't know that not wearing any dentures for about 2 years (except when I went out of my house) has caused my gums to deteriorate terribly and even then I couldn't wear my bottoms at all. They didn't fit enough to even get them in my mouth. I wish I'd have known that time that you spend with no teeth or dentures in your mouth is when your gums are deteriorating the worse and the adjustment that can be made to help isn't going to make that big of a difference. Like a lot of the people on this subject I feel I look over 15 years older since getting my teeth pulled. I was always so grateful because as long as I can remember no one ever believed how old I was. I never took that for granted and felt very lucky. That changed 2 years ago and it's hard to accept. I'm not just talking about the fact that up til I had my teeth pulled for dentures I always was told that I looked over 10 years younger than I was. The hardest part is that you go from looking way way younger than you are to looking way way older. I think I could come to accept looking my age as opposed to way younger but it's hard to go from way younger to way older. I avoid people as much as I can. Mostly people that I know that I haven't seen since I had my teeth pulled because the few people that I did see afterward were shocked when I ran into them. They tried to be nice but I knew what they were thinking. My age never bothered me because I was holding up pretty good. Since all of this has happened my age seems to really be on my mind a lot. At 63 years I was enjoying my golden years but now I'm kind of a shut in. That makes me sad.

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I truly understand having always looking several years younger than your true age, then having the total opposite effect out of left field Deb! I too hide in isolation and know how you feel. I too have read over the Russell Klein review's. However, doing the wax try-ins prior to the final product being processed in acrylic is such a crucial step in having a beautiful and great functioning set of dentures. So, I prefer to have it done in a dental office or a lab that I have physical access to. I know exactly WHY my dentures have aged me and all of you...it has to due w/ several components which include your dentures vertical and horizontal deminsions, occlusion, positioning of the teeth, and border molding....ESPECIALLY that last part, border molding. Several people are achieving this on here by stating they use an otc reline kit. It creates a higher border on the dentures that in turn fill out the vestibule area's in our mouths...ex; it lifts and fills out the cheeks and lip areas. This is great as a temporary fix, but MUST be taken out and replaced every 1-3 month's due to accumulation of bacteria. Ideally, those that like the way their teeth look and like the effects from the reline, I suggest seeing a reputable denture or lab to have them place a "permanent" reline. This gives the exact effect w/o causing bacteria to grow and is generally redone every 2-5 years or longer depending on how quickly your gums and bone recede. Yes, ALL of us will continue to have bone and gums shrink for the rest of our lives regardless of whether we were the dentures or not. It has to do w/ the fact there are no longer teeth in our bone to keep it stimulated, which in turn keeps it from shrinking. The ONLY solution to this once the teeth are extracted is to have implants placed to mimic the tooth root, thus simulating the bone to not recede. ( Note: the lower jaw will continue shrinking at a faster rate than the upper in all of us. Also, all of us will shrink @ a different pace.)
Idk if you're able to understand ALL of this, but if you or.anyone has any questions please don't hesitate to ask. Best wishes to us all!!

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438 Points

I am Pete and have full upper and lower dentures and I have had no decrease in jaw bone or gums. I take them out long enough to clean them and put them back in

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@zoe_knight I feel you ....

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3 years ago

I know how you feel. I used to have nice full lips and now they're flat and thin. I didn't realize not having teeth would have so much to do with your lips but it sure does. Just have to get used to living this way and think about people who have it a lot worse than I do. Not much help but it's all I know to do.

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112 Points

3 years ago

It's definitely not just you!!! I am 41 and got upper dentures a year & half ago and am having the same exact problems that you are & have read folks online with the same problems! From what I have read while researching online it sounds like the teeth in the denture(s) are not set correctly & are too short therefore instead of filling in our face they are causing it to sink in. I'm trying to find someone who is highly accredited with good reviews that I can go to to have a new denture made...I think you should do the same so you can regain your confidence

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386 Points

This is going to sound crazy but go to the denturestore on Etsy. I have same problem and I've been told that a lot. It's the poorly made dentures. I'm going to look into this. It seems promising. Sincere good luck

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400 Points

When I go in to have my permanent dentures made, I'm bringing a picture so they can see the size of my teeth and angle of protrusion of my old smile. The teeth in my immediate are much shorter than my real teeth.

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386 Points

I'm very very optimistic that Russell Klein at the denturestore on etsy.com is the person for this. It sounds like if he can't do it then no one can. I'm about to become a client of his and I have faith that I'll at least be able to eat with my dentures.

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162 Points

Or, go to a dentist, tell them how to make what you want and if they can't or don't then, don't pay them. 

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184 Points

I had to have fat transfer to my fave

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150 Points

3 years ago

When a top or bottom plate was done..were the proper amount of teeth out in these plates?

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410 Points

Aspen dental gave me to many teeth and they looked like ruff baby teeth

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112 Points

3 years ago

Yes Dyana